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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffLum Edwards Date: Feb 26, 2011 6:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

I had read something like that about Bob, That early on the band wanted to fire Bob because he wasnt "technical" enough of a guitar player but Because of Bob's enthusiasm in just playing nobody wanted to be the one to fire him. Is this true? What would it of been like with no Weir?


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Poster: lonesomejohnnie Date: Feb 26, 2011 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

GD w/ out Bobby means a GD w/out Playing, Cassidy, Mexicali Blues, The Other One, Music Never Stopped, Estimated Prophet, Weather Report Suite and for better or worse Throwing Stones, Hell in a Bucket, Picasso Moon and Victim or the Crime. I must admit I was never a fan of Corrina until I heard Ratdog do it.. Then there's the Dylan covers, When I paint my masterpiece, Samson and Delilah, Mama Tried.....

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffLum Edwards Date: Feb 26, 2011 3:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

And El Paso, My fav Bob song.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 26, 2011 6:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

Well, the shows would have been shorter by half.


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Poster: Uncle_John Date: Feb 26, 2011 11:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

Not about Keith, but ...

I think that, more than Bobby's specific song contributions, he provided the upbeat contrast and compliment to Garcia's melancholy - not just with his choice of songs, but with his playing during Garcia's songs.

If it wasn't for Bob bringing the tempo and tone back up every few songs, I think the Dead would have lost their audience and faded away by the mid- to late- '70s.

- John

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 26, 2011 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

If you search old threads here you'll find plenty of dicussion, and various accts by members of the DEAD family describing that yes indeed they were asked to leave, BUT in essence, didn't...Bob was more troublesome in that he kept showing up to practice, gigs, etc., the manly Pig said "screw it" and sulked, but came back too. This accounts for the shows sans both of them, or one of them, during fall 68. But, clearly it didn't "take", per usual, and no one took the leadership role of following thru on the initial action. Classic DEAD decision making.

All us bobby bashers ALWAYS have this to throw in the face of bobby lovers, har, har...but truly.

In spite of my bashing, I have always maintained that the famed Avalon shows of 10-12/11-68 PROVE that Pig was indeed expendable, whereas Bobby, strangely, was not. Compare said Avalon shows with any nearby Hartbeat shows (DEAD - BW/PP) and you have the obvious evidence.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 26, 2011 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

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Bobby attracted all the babes at GD shows. Not to mention, he had way too much "cowboy" in him. But, he could never keep a straight face.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffLum Edwards Date: Feb 26, 2011 3:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

>>>All us bobby bashers<<<

I really dont understand why people would bash Bob? Sure he wasnt no Jerry but nobody else was either. I Love Bobs sound when he is on top of things. Back in High School in the late 70's I had a poster with Jerry on one side and Bob on the other. I hung the poster Bob side out and friends thought I was strange forever after that.

>>>Pig was indeed expendable, whereas Bobby, strangely, was not.<<<

I agree without Bob GD would have been totally different. Jerry was great no doubt, But Bob isnt no slouch either.
It must of been hard to be bob sometimes. I have much respect for him.

This post was modified by Lum Edwards on 2011-02-26 23:28:06

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Poster: hasher Date: Feb 26, 2011 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

I'll never forget the Dead show where I saw a "Bobby fans are people too" bumper sticker on someones notebook on the lawn.

Still cracks me up everytime I think about it.

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Poster: darkstarice Date: Mar 2, 2011 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

That's hilarious! I'm laughing, thinking about you still laughing at it.

I gotta remember that and the Bobby-mayo comparison.

I never cared much for Pig either but come on folks- no Bob?? I think that's pushin it!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 26, 2011 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

In their salad days it seems Pig had the stage confidence and presence that the others lacked for acid-blues electronia. I have read accounts of '65-'67 (later too) in which audience members thought he was the main man. Once the other members got their own mojo going, Pig seemed to diminish in importance. I really liked Pig, but he did not grow during his time with GD. (I know there are some E'72 organ work out there.) Operator is a great song, and I wish he pushed himself in that direction.
Bobby is well, Bobby. I get into phases where I listen to him on lead, as I am lately. I love 'em and he drives me nuts.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Feb 26, 2011 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

I love me some Bobby solos... H2H, Easy Wind, Casey Jones, Friend of the Devil... haven't heard another guitarist with phrasing like his - all full of swirls... like following smoke while high on psilocybin mushies.

Makes me appreciate JG even more when he comes in and takes things up another 10 notches.

Let's not talk about BW's slide solos though...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 26, 2011 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

Yes, this is precisely what my older brothers said: they saw them numerous times in 66-67, and said they sucked relative to the other SF sound bands cause they had this pudgy biker lead singer that couldn't sing, and couldn't really do the blues, etc., etc., and that MGrape, Airplane, QMS, etc., were much better (as I've droned on about). In fact, this is why they more or less gave up on them and didn't go to truly great shows, like 69, in which they would've seen/heard a very diff band. To their credit, they said Work/Beaut efforts were superb, and that the DEAD had evolved and then surpassed all the other SF bands that were fading fast by the early 70s. But enough of what those elder bros thought; the bottom line is that PP was central, then faded a bit by the famed Fillmore Run, only to find a niche as the "closer" with tunes like LLight and such, before closing up shop for good, so to speak.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Feb 26, 2011 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

His slide solos, yes. His slide parts during the verses of Althea are very good.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 26, 2011 12:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

Actually, there were only three members of the Dead who at some point didn't leave, get fired, or die on the job: Phil, Billy....and Vince!

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Poster: Pig Street ! Date: Feb 26, 2011 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob Not Technical Enough Of A Guitar Player

fall pf 68' Pig & Bob were asked to show more interest in the Band. The Grateful Dead without Bobby would of been interesting, Cassidy, Playin may not have been in existence.

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